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ZephyrEFI
Posts : 860 Join date : 2008-11-10 Age : 48 Location : Shakopee, MN
| Subject: Re: 2014 Projects Thread! Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:21 pm | |
| Well, I broke an intake bolt off in one of the heads. So, she probably won't be back on the road this year. I've never removed a broken bolt myself before.
It did give me an excuse to order a nice intake stud kit though. So that'll make things easier when I got to install the intake. I hope they don't interfere with the fuel rails. | |
| | | fangar150-ex
Posts : 853 Join date : 2008-11-10 Location : AZ
| Subject: Re: 2014 Projects Thread! Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:20 pm | |
| did the stud break off flush or can you get some vice grips on it. if it broke off flush, use a good sharp center punch and punch it in the center, no pun intended. drill 1/8 in hole into the bolt using a brand new cobalt drill bit or an Irwin self centering bit, once this pilot hole is drilled, the you can go bigger and use an extractor, I use the MATCO shank style extractors, they are tougher than the hinges on the gates of hell, and rarely break, you'll be ok, just go slow with the drilling so you can keep the bit parallel with the bolt. the local car show is a miss for me, I've got to work that weekend. kinda sucks because one of my teammates wiggled his way out of work that weekend. I think he's on shaky ground and shouldn't be messing around, oh well....pissed; not me I'm furious. | |
| | | ZephyrEFI
Posts : 860 Join date : 2008-11-10 Age : 48 Location : Shakopee, MN
| Subject: Re: 2014 Projects Thread! Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:22 pm | |
| It's not flush exactly, but I don't think I could get a tool on it. I did order a set of extractors too. I had this bolt out in 2010, so I'm optimistic it's not in there too stubbornly.
If it doesn't come with a reasonable amount of effort, I'm thinking of turning my efforts towards grabbing some Explorer heads from the boneyard. if I pull them myself, I should be able to get them for way cheap. Don't know though, I've never removed a head myself before. I'd be concerned about putting something back together wrong. | |
| | | fangar150-ex
Posts : 853 Join date : 2008-11-10 Location : AZ
| Subject: Re: 2014 Projects Thread! Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:24 pm | |
| not to worry, once the intake and exhaust is off, you're pretty much there. you would have to try pretty hard to screw it up. | |
| | | ZephyrEFI
Posts : 860 Join date : 2008-11-10 Age : 48 Location : Shakopee, MN
| Subject: Re: 2014 Projects Thread! Thu Oct 02, 2014 11:20 am | |
| It's not so much the removal I'm worried about as the installation. Messing up the head gasket is a pretty big deal. And I don't have a way of knowing for sure whether the mating surfaces are good to go.
I succeeded in drilling and tapping 3 holes yesterday, which I had never done before, haha. 2 for the intake plaque and one for the throttle lever on the throttle body. The Explorer lever is backwards for the Mustang application, so you have to swap to the Mustang lever. And since they are welded on, I had to drill and tap a hole for a screw to hold the lever on. The only potential issue I'm finding is, it doesn't seem like the Explorer throttle body closes as far as the Mustang one, so that may cause problems with the TPS reading. I won't know for sure until I get everything back on the car and check the voltage reading though.
I didn't attempt removing the broken bolt though because the extractor set didn't come until late in the day. Next car work day is tomorrow. | |
| | | ZephyrEFI
Posts : 860 Join date : 2008-11-10 Age : 48 Location : Shakopee, MN
| Subject: Re: 2014 Projects Thread! Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:58 pm | |
| I had been using the resistance as sort of a way of checking the TPS alignment. I played with my throttle body a bit more today and got the resistance values very close to what they were with the Mustang TB. I had taken the throttle plate off while I was cleaning it up when I first got it. It was rusty and sticky. Anyway, today I loosened the screws and was able to get it to close tighter, then tightened them back up. Should be all good!
Looking forward to getting that broken bolt out tomorrow... | |
| | | fangar150-ex
Posts : 853 Join date : 2008-11-10 Location : AZ
| Subject: Re: 2014 Projects Thread! Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:55 pm | |
| what year is your throttle body/intake. Once you get it running;setting the tps on a warmed-up engine involves disconnecting the idle speed controller, setting base idle with the the throttle plate and making sure the TP voltage does not rise above 1.0 volt at idle, lets see what year you have & we'll go from there. are you able to use the explorer throttle cable? | |
| | | ZephyrEFI
Posts : 860 Join date : 2008-11-10 Age : 48 Location : Shakopee, MN
| Subject: Re: 2014 Projects Thread! Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:46 am | |
| The Explorer intake/throttle body have the internal EGR passage, so that makes them 1996 to early '97 vintage. And since I'm using a Mustang style EGR spacer (as opposed to the Explorer 90* elbow), the throttle body will sit in the same spot, so I can use the Mustang throttle and cruise cables. | |
| | | fangar150-ex
Posts : 853 Join date : 2008-11-10 Location : AZ
| Subject: Re: 2014 Projects Thread! Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:04 am | |
| I think you adjust them the same way as the fox mustangs so you should be ok. resistance values are meaningless, it's voltage you should monitor. | |
| | | ZephyrEFI
Posts : 860 Join date : 2008-11-10 Age : 48 Location : Shakopee, MN
| Subject: Re: 2014 Projects Thread! Sat Oct 04, 2014 11:41 am | |
| Yeah, i'll definitely check the voltage when I get everything put back together.
Had no success getting that bolt out yesterday. I picked up a different style of extractor from Sears that looks pretty good, so we'll try that next.
I did manage to drill the other sensor hole in the lower intake without any trouble though. It certainly helped that it was a straight vertical hole. I was able to use my drill press bracket thingy for my electric hand drill for most of the sizes, then I had to switch to my air drill because it has a 1/2" chuck. I may finish up the other sensor hole myself, we'll see. I was happy to get that done, anyway.
I re-sealed my new injectors too. A couple of them had broken pintle caps. I wish I had known that before I bought the seal set that I did. It only came with the O-rings. And apparently the only way you can get new pintle caps is with a seal set. So I had to buy 2 more individual seal sets. I tried to pop some caps off my old injectors, but nothin' doin'. They don't come off without shattering into a million pieces. | |
| | | fangar150-ex
Posts : 853 Join date : 2008-11-10 Location : AZ
| Subject: Re: 2014 Projects Thread! Sun Oct 05, 2014 8:53 am | |
| yeah, that heat is a bummer, good work on the drilling. make sure you use a good thread sealer like the white permatex #765 1188 with Teflon. its a good all round thread sealer, I've been using it for years on frt covers intakes etc; however it's no good for single wire sensors like temp senders as it is not a good conductor for grounds. when putting on gaskets like thermostats, I use permatex high tack # 80062. yesterday was my day off; I went in to fix the oil dispensing units, the head unit took a dump, and we had no way to dispense the oils, did some research, and rewired the solenoids and used two 12 volts batteries in a series to power them, you'd think they say take the 11th off and go to the car show. nah... it was more like a free oil change.... which helps. | |
| | | ZephyrEFI
Posts : 860 Join date : 2008-11-10 Age : 48 Location : Shakopee, MN
| Subject: Re: 2014 Projects Thread! Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:03 pm | |
| Man, doesn't sound like it was your day off! Pretty cool you were able to fix that though!
I hit a deer with my Aviator. Banged up the front bumper, shattered the grille, and twisted up the hood. We were going slow, so no one was hurt. I think the deer even survived! Anyway, I've been looking at what it would cost me to just replace the parts and not get insurance involved. If I want good used parts, just for a hood, I'd be looking at $500, and that's what our deductible is. Guess we're looking at making an insurance claim. It's kind of disappointing for me for it not to make sense for me to fix it, being sort of handy with cars and all. But, we're looking at trading it in, in 6 months, so a half-assed repair isn't going to stand up to the scrutiny of the used car manager. I want to get as much as I can for it, so I don't have to pull as much of the rest of what we owe on it out of the tax refund. We could just keep it, but we pay so dang much for gas with this thing. It requires premium and gets horse-cruddy mileage. Plus, it'll be requiring a crapload of maintenance now that it's turned over 100,000 miles. I'd just as soon not deal with that if I don't have to. It's time to move on. | |
| | | fangar150-ex
Posts : 853 Join date : 2008-11-10 Location : AZ
| Subject: Re: 2014 Projects Thread! Mon Oct 06, 2014 8:20 am | |
| lucky no one was hurt, that's the most important thing to consider, you'll have to work out the details with the insurance company, at least it would be a solid repair...then it can be nice and shiny and be someone else's problem. | |
| | | ZephyrEFI
Posts : 860 Join date : 2008-11-10 Age : 48 Location : Shakopee, MN
| Subject: Re: 2014 Projects Thread! Tue Oct 07, 2014 12:01 am | |
| Haha, yep. I'm already drooling over new Fusions and Transit Connects. | |
| | | ZephyrEFI
Posts : 860 Join date : 2008-11-10 Age : 48 Location : Shakopee, MN
| Subject: Re: 2014 Projects Thread! Tue Oct 07, 2014 8:02 pm | |
| Well, the good news is, I got the other sensor hole drilled. So no machine shop for that. But, the bad news is, I broke the extractor off in the broken bolt hole. Soooooo pretty much looking at taking the head off and taking it to a machine shop for that. I may take the opportunity to upgrade heads, I don't know. Those GT40s sitting ripe for the picking in the junkyard are awfully tempting. Stymee has some 351 interceptor heads for me he'd sell me for cheap too. Don't know. I may take the winter to think about it. | |
| | | fangar150-ex
Posts : 853 Join date : 2008-11-10 Location : AZ
| Subject: Re: 2014 Projects Thread! Tue Oct 07, 2014 11:47 pm | |
| have you considerered GT40p heads? JEGS & probably Summit sell the headers. imagination & curiosity destroy contentment......so many combo's......what are the specs on the 351 heads, are they 351 or 5.8 liter? | |
| | | ZephyrEFI
Posts : 860 Join date : 2008-11-10 Age : 48 Location : Shakopee, MN
| Subject: Re: 2014 Projects Thread! Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:32 pm | |
| Not doing GT40P heads because they don't have the provision for EGR. And I would love to do shorty headers at some point, since I already have the aftermarket H-pipe, but I can't really think about spending money on the car right now. I way over-did it this year, and next year I'm hoping to spend much less. Maybe just get the windows tinted, and put in a smattering of LED lights.
Stymee's heads are from a late '80s Crown Vic, I think. They are rebuilt too. Don't know what the specs are. | |
| | | fangar150-ex
Posts : 853 Join date : 2008-11-10 Location : AZ
| Subject: Re: 2014 Projects Thread! Thu Oct 09, 2014 11:09 pm | |
| yeah; I remember what money is......however I have a set of BBK shorties in the shed, low mileage. I miss my mustang parts, I could have sold an engine and rear end the other day, loads of people asking, we'll have to see what happens before I go investing and disassembling again. most mustangs are worth more in parts than you think....it's the storage issues I have, because I like to go large. | |
| | | ZephyrEFI
Posts : 860 Join date : 2008-11-10 Age : 48 Location : Shakopee, MN
| Subject: Re: 2014 Projects Thread! Fri Oct 10, 2014 1:05 pm | |
| BBK would be perfect too because I'm fairly sure that's what my H-pipe is.... haha
Yeah, if you have room to store parts cars, you can really cash in! I had one for about 9 months. Most things I tried to sell off it just sat and rotted. Even when I tried to sell my mint black dash from the Zeph, I had to practically give it away. I had to get rid of the parts car because I was sick of it taking up one of my stalls in a 2 car garage. Not okay, haha. If you're going to want to really make some money off one, I guess you have to be prepared to store it for a long time. Of course, the online parts market is a lot better now than it was then, 2005. | |
| | | fangar150-ex
Posts : 853 Join date : 2008-11-10 Location : AZ
| Subject: Re: 2014 Projects Thread! Sat Oct 11, 2014 9:06 am | |
| depending on what year donor car you purchase, you strip it down by category, interior, driveline, suspension, etc. anything of perceived value is stored, some in garbage cans, some indoors, some outside, all by category. the shell/Carcas goes to the crusher. electrical and interior pats are a good yield, for example, a speed control deactivator sw for an sn95,goes for a pretty penny, as they are obsolete. try to let people approach you. however you'll need to get the word out. For the fox mustang upgrade parts, the sn95 alternators are big, 5 lug axle/brake swaps, control arms, parking brake levers, serpentine belt drives, mini starter upgrades etc. tilt wheels & clusters are worth cash also. The key is to try to sell the labor and the parts for some items at the same time, say for instance; do the alternator or starter upgrades including the wiring, stay away from doing the rear diffs at home.(I damaged my Achilles tendon doing one on the ground) Most people will opt for the new starters and alternators, pay cash and use the customer’s name at AutoZone so they have the lifetime warranty….don't have anyone “hanging around” while you do it, or they’ll draw the courage to do themselves; you'll see, after a while, you’ll want to throw away you cell phone.
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| | | ZephyrEFI
Posts : 860 Join date : 2008-11-10 Age : 48 Location : Shakopee, MN
| Subject: Re: 2014 Projects Thread! Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:13 pm | |
| A "how-to" from the master! I wouldn't really have to worry about anyone hanging around. Stymee is really my only "Car Guy" friend locally, and he's already got a nice store of parts, haha.
Do you ever save that brake fitting to go from the body to the soft line to the 8.8? It's a standard female to banjo female. Maybe not the best money maker, but it's also obsolete. I've heard of SO many guys swapping an 8.8 into an earlier Fox getting stuck trying to find this fitting. It can't be had in the aftermarket either. If you haven't saved them, maybe something to think about for next time.
Anyway, might spend some time dinking around with my car today, just doing a little assembly of small things and getting ready for storage. | |
| | | fangar150-ex
Posts : 853 Join date : 2008-11-10 Location : AZ
| Subject: Re: 2014 Projects Thread! Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:19 am | |
| no I'm using the disc brake set up from the 97 mustang, it uses a completely different line routing, however; these SN95 lines will fit the fox chassis perfectly, I just had to add a line from the body to the brake lines. See; when you get to rocking, you're going to go to your chassis trash can, pull one of those bango fittings out and turn your investment into cash. small parts go into sandwich bags so they don't get lost. I don't know what it's like in your area, maybe you two should get together & knock some stuff out. swap meets may be a good place to get started. what do you guys use for rustproofing?
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| | | ZephyrEFI
Posts : 860 Join date : 2008-11-10 Age : 48 Location : Shakopee, MN
| Subject: Re: 2014 Projects Thread! Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:45 pm | |
| The problem I usually have with swap meets is, first, I don't know where any of the good ones are, and second, the shows they're at usually start at the crack of dawn, and I'm just not an early riser. Good stuff is probably all gone by the time I get there. The ones I've seen sure do look picked over, anyway. A taillight here, a fender there, an engine block I can't identify... haha. One time I went to one and found a bunch of stuff I had given away the previous summer, haha! Needless to say, I did not buy it. As far as selling, I just don't think I have the patience.
I do have a plan that's in the spirit of it though! When/if I go get some GT40 heads at the U-Pull, I'm going to get the intake too and sell it at a tidy profit, since I already have one. It should finance the new valve springs everyone seems to think those heads need.
I don't really use anything for rust proofing. You don't really need to worry about it unless you drive your car when the roads have been salted after it snows. I used some "rust converter" in a few spots on my car though. That seems to work well. I have kind of a big spot on my car's underside by the muffler I need to put that on. It's just surface rust, but might as well stop it if I can. | |
| | | fangar150-ex
Posts : 853 Join date : 2008-11-10 Location : AZ
| Subject: Re: 2014 Projects Thread! Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:50 pm | |
| see; now you've been bitten by the "bug"! who knows I may be looking for a fox .0 throttle cable for my next project, have you considered mail order........ how much is the whole engine VS the heads & intake?? you know where I'm going...PCM, MAF ETC. I thought you guys all had to rust proof your cars due to the humidity as well as salt. | |
| | | ZephyrEFI
Posts : 860 Join date : 2008-11-10 Age : 48 Location : Shakopee, MN
| Subject: Re: 2014 Projects Thread! Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:20 am | |
| Haha, well, a whole engine is $256. I don't really have a way to haul one home though, or anywhere to put one. Seriously, you would not believe how tiny my 3 car garage is. It's just barely big enough for 3 cars, and parking one outside is out of the question with winter. And I'm given to understand many Explorer parts aren't any good for Mustang swaps anyway, such as the accessory drive and front cover. It's a nice thought, but probably not the bonanza a Mustang engine would be. I may get greedy and grab more than one intake though, haha. That's where the easy money is.
A good place to sell used stuff is the local Mustang forum though. A lot of stuff seems to move through there. And there's always The Corral's classified section, if I decide I don't mind shipping stuff. Probably not gonna happen though. I just don't like hoarding that much. I moved a lot when I was younger, so I'm not much of an accumulator. It bugs me when I have a bunch of stuff laying around that I'm not using often. I have some friends who used to sell bootlegged music and concert videos on ebay as a way to make extra money. They kept getting kicked off, so they went to old school record shows. That crap looked like it was a LOT of work. My leisure time is very important to me. I don't need extra money that badly, haha. Plus, time I would be tearing down a parts car is time I could be working on the Zeph. I haven't experienced a time when the Zeph doesn't need SOME kind of work done to it. I think that time is coming, but after that, I have a bunch of tinkering projects to do, such as power antenna, proper speaker grilles for the doors, re-upholstering the rear shelf and so on.
Anyway, I don't think my Zeph ever had any kind of rust proofing on it, which is weird because it's in such good shape. The original owner must really never have gone anywhere or something. I don't think he was that old because he replaced it with another car. The underside is just coated in chassis black and oil film from leaking parts, haha. There are about as many disadvantages to rust proofing as advantages, so I personally don't bother. | |
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